Q: Guruji, Is the nature of enlightened beings and non-enlightened
beings the same? How do you tell when one is enlightened? What do we
have to look for, if anything?
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: There is no
criterion. It is the most difficult thing to do. You can’t judge by your
head. Something in your heart tells you. Once I was in Sweden and there
was a bunch of journalists. They were asking many questions and I was
just answering. There was lot of fun and everyone was laughing, and then
one person said, ‘now, it is not a joke, tell me, are you enlightened?’
He stood up right in front. ‘I want the answer. Don’t turn them all
around, are you enlightened?’ I just looked at him. I didn’t say
anything. He said, ‘I am asking, are you enlightened?’ I didn’t say
anything. Third time he said, ‘can you hear me, I am asking you a
straight question, are you enlightened?’ I said, ‘no’. He wouldn’t
leave. If one says ‘no’, that should be finished. If one says ‘yes’,
then you have a headache of proving! But he said, ‘no, you are not
telling me the truth. You are kidding, tell me.’ I said, ‘look, I said
no and you should take the answer. But if your heart says something
different then you listen to your heart’. If you ask a man who is
sleeping, ‘are you sleeping?’ If he says, ‘yes’, that means no. If they
don’t answer, you should take it. You can’t wake them up and say ‘are
you sleeping?’ So sometimes, ‘yes’ means ‘no’ and ‘no’ means ‘yes’. You
cannot judge enlightenment like that. I said, ‘if you know yourself then
you can know me better.’ Because the person would not keep quiet, he
said, ‘no, you are not telling the truth.’ I said, ‘what makes you say
that? Your heart is saying it.’ Only the eyes can see, your ears cannot
see. Similarly, only your heart can recognize. When Jesus was asked,
‘are you the son of God?’ He did not say anything; he had to keep quiet
because there is no point in telling them, ‘yes, I am the son of God and
you too’. They wouldn’t understand, so he kept quiet. He couldn’t say
‘I am not the son of God’, when all his prayers were about ‘our Father
in heaven’. All his prayers started with, ‘our Father in heaven’, not
‘my Father’. It is plural, ‘our Father in heaven’. Jesus established
that relationship with the divinity, that closeness; like how you feel
close to your father, your mother, your friend. Only that closeness can
bring love. And this is what He was trying to establish in those days.
The same happened with Buddha. Someone very close to Buddha didn’t think
he was enlightened and tried to throw a boulder on top of his head when
he was sitting and meditating. One of his own disciple and relative
went with a few people and pushed a big boulder, a big stone from
behind. It just fell a few inches, a few millimetres short in front of
him. Otherwise, if it would have fallen, then that was it, done. When
other disciples around him got so angry, Buddha said, ‘no, it was some
karma, don’t get angry, be compassionate.’ So the essence of all
teachings is love, compassion and self-awareness. Why am I saying this?
The point is that inside every culprit also, there is a nice person, a
good person; there is a human hiding. We need to bring out that
humanness. If you see through my eyes, I don’t see a single bad person
on this planet. They are only misguided, ignorant, or hurt and suffering
people. And you will never get angry with those who are suffering. How
can you be angry with those who are suffering? Tell me? Isn’t it? They
are suffering inside and we need to reach out, we need to help. This is
what we need to do.
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